[Eisenstein]

> Similarly - you should consider that Copenhagens all bike infrastructure both supports and is supported by the society around it, and a lot more would have to change than just the surface level things that you find good to make it happen.

So let's start doing that and maybe our kids will have awesome cities.

[blq10]

Those changes are not ones that would be politically popular in the same groups that are demanding urbanism.

You need transit to be safe and clean so you get ridership from people who are middle class and up, and urban living to be a safe, clean, desirable experience.

This is very challenging, because the combination of increased policing and social programs needed to get there would not be plausible under either Democrat or Republican administrations.