[bob1029]

> hosted on two rented VPS instances which split traffic

I would push back here. I think even this is ridiculous complexity in 2023 if you just need to serve a webapp or API. Managing VMs is a mistake now. Serverless is an extreme competitive advantage when you are small and trying to stay focused on the customers. I don't have time to babysit self-serving technological curiosities as we try to ramp. There definitely isn't any money in pet problems. There is also a benefit to noob developers - if you constrain yourself to shipping serverless function code, you can't possibly be tempted and fall into weird infra rabbit holes that rob you of your ability to deliver near-term value and learn about practical software work.

Our next-gen architecture consists of exactly 2 things. Azure SQL Database Hyperscale and Azure Functions. We deliver server-rendered HTML directly to the client from the HTTP trigger functions and they in turn connect directly to the DB. I almost suspect Microsoft doesn't like us doing it this way (e.g. mandatory URL route prefixes). But, too bad for them - we worked around it & our hosting model is effectively a prerequisite for the complexity circus everyone else employs. That's it. We are about to have a zero VM cloud infrastructure and someone with 2 days worth of YouTube training could become semi-effective at monitoring it all.

Become the cockroach of technology users. Use the barest subset of what is needed to get the job done, but do it in a clever way. Infest someone's cloud so you don't have to screw with boring things like compliance, audits, power supply replacements, deployments, etc. Use their products in ways that feel manipulative, but are still strongly within the lines of ToS and the barycenter of the overall crowd. Stay away from bleeding edge technology.

Imagine if you literally only had to push code (aka not declarative infra) to GitHub and pay one cloud bill. Certs, networking, patching, backups, monitoring, recovery, scaling up/out, etc all completely handled for you. Why wouldn't you want your life to be this easy? Is it because "fuck Microsoft[0]" that we continue to dig the technological equivalents of ditches by hand all day? Are we just poorly incentivized?

[0] To be clear, you could replace "Microsoft" with "Cloudflare" or a number of other hyperscalars. I am tempted to play around with the CF offerings again. I like the idea of an "emergency backup vendor" if things ever get spicy with Microsoft.

[scapegoat2]

I would definitely not call serving HTML from Azure Functions next-gen.

You are increasing the response time by 20-30ms just by using HTTP-Functions instead of plain ASP.NET (lots of abstractions and grpc channel to worker processes). Beyond that you will get long cold starts, no response-streaming and slow scaling. The cost of the consumption-based plan will skyrocket after small number of requests compared to serving from dedicated App Service.

[bob1029]

We are running on a dedicated/isolated (ASEv3) plan right now. It's incredibly fast & responsive. You can run a SSR web app directly on top of this kind of configuration no problem.

I am not sure what you are referring to with GRPC channels and worker processes.

[mwcampbell]

Since you're using Azure App Service Environment anyway, why bend Azure Functions to fit your web application use case rather than simply deploying ASP.NET Core on Azure App Service?

[bob1029]

> why bend Azure Functions to fit your web application use case

Because it is even simpler than screwing with ASP.NET Core if all you need is a simple SSR webforms experience (which I'd argue is most of us). I don't even have to worry about a startup.cs file or play games with the types of serializer or pipeline features I want to use. The only thing I have to do is take a http trigger method dep on ClaimsPrincipal and turn on AAD auth in the portal to get all my hard shit taken care of.

Why not return final text/html from a function that would otherwise return application/json to some cartoonish client-side complexity? Why add some API/web proxy middleware bullshit that serves no value? I am not buying the narrative anymore. This works, it is simple, it is fast. HTTP in, HTTP out. Microsoft would have to go so far out of their way to make this not work that it would look absolutely comical. "text/html is banned return content type because we are capricious assholes".

[metalforever]

I disagree with this post. We are really over-complicating the complexity of running lamp. It takes like an hour to setup. You save lots of money.

[bob1029]

> It takes like an hour to setup

> You save lots of money

I agree. Time is money.

It takes me 5 minutes to spin up a C#/V4 function webapp that is mapped via GH actions to a multi-stage Dev/Qa/Test/Prod deployment pipeline with certs, monitoring, backups, DR, compliance, etc all handled by default.

Can you get your LAMP stack to pass a PCI-DSS audit after 1 hour of work? I can make contractual guarantees that my stack is going to pass those audits before I log into my PC for the day.

Complexity is a weird thing. It is really hard to understand the whole picture when you only look at the technology through a narrow perspective like "what brand is my database engine".

[metalforever]

I am sure you have seen other developers try to get this whole pipeline working on their dev box then.

Look, I have been doing things the way you are describing in the industry for 10 years now. Most of the time, the shop really really really does not need it. It is not difficult to set up a regular backup and a cert.