[edu]

You should work hard and be productive during your regular work schedule, not doing that is a breach of contract. But expecting to put more hours than required regularly, it's also a breach in contract.

If you need to be available outside of regulars hours, you must be paid. If something must be up 24/7h, hire more people and set proper work shifts so it's covered.

Raises and promotions should come if you do good work, not if you work longer hours. Which will probably lead to burnout or depression.

When I go to a restaurant and order a hamburger, I don't expect to get a sirloin.

[NoahECampbell]

I never said anything about not paying people for working more?

[bamfly]

> It is very common for people to immediately sign off for the day the minute their work day/shift is over and not do anything else after. If people want to do that then sure they can, but they also trade off the ability to earn raises and promotions by doing the bare minimum.

So, when this happens, the employer is offering more money if the employee continues working? The employer is asking them to do that, and employees are saying "no, thanks" to the extra money?

The way you wrote your whole post really reads like you aren't talking about paid overtime.

[NoahECampbell]

So what you're saying is you made an assumption about what I said, took that assumption and wrapped your entire thing about it without knowing it was true. I recommend taking things at a surface level and not trying to read 50 layers into it

[sezycei]

While I agree with the general gist of what you're trying to communicate, the person you're responding here did no such thing. Take a step back and re-read; they're just following what you're suggesting to one possible natural conclusion. If you don't believe that's what would happen, you can state that without accusing your partner in this conversation of "reading too deep".

[bamfly]

I am reading the surface level, in which your described compensation for overtime work is an advantage at promotion time.

Again: are these workers being offered overtime pay, and refusing it?