[floomk]

> Windows does a pretty good job of failing to be a user controlled operating system.

Then the OS has spoken. Having user space applications pretend to include security barriers that can be easily circumvented is not the way.

> Also that AV is far more apt to be guilty of injecting some bullshit into the process space.

Many AVs have a terrible track record, yes. Perhaps if Mozilla actually cared they should start their own and try to do better? At least it would run as a privileged process and have some chance at success.

[asadotzler]

MS does a fine engough job with Defender that I don't think this is needed. What we need is for the last of the third party AV vendors to die.