[bigger_inside]

which also brings back the old insight that harvesting greens kills a lot more animals than producing steak does. Though I guess with symbiotic species living inside organisms, that may become debatable? In any case, there is no food consumption without death involved.

Though ultimately, that's not even the point. The larger point is that individual consumer choice does not actually shift the food industry structure, which, again, is neatly exemplified by this entire debate that kicked off these threads: humans don't -choose- bugs. This is a system change. Though of course the change involves better mass production capability and higher rates of profit on the industry side, not "care for nature". Industry doesn't care for anything but profit.

[pantojax45]

> harvesting greens kills a lot more animals than producing steak does

How is this possible? Cows must feed and they eat plants (inefficiently too)

[worstestes]

I find this a bit dubious, particularly that a large part of the agricultural industry is dedicated to _feed_ for livestock.

[NoZebra120vClip]

There are Jains who believe so strongly in doing no harm to nature, that they go to great lengths to avoid killing insects. They wear gauze masks so as not to inhale gnats and such. They carry a broom to sweep away any crawling bugs before they can be stomped upon. They practice a fruitarian diet and thus they even try not to kill any plant in the process of harvesting food. Now that is certainly dedication! Time to eat my t-bone steak.