[wahnfrieden]

You had managers who "took the fall" for the team? The thread is about accepting blame and sacrifice, not about advocating for people under you

[RankingMember]

> You had managers who "took the fall" for the team?

Correct. In addition, sometimes advocating for those under you is a sacrificial act, because you're putting your reputation on the line.

[wahnfrieden]

Sounds performative rather than anything real at stake. Managers are expected to lay down rhetoric about accountability and contextualizing their team's failure.

[RankingMember]

> Managers are expected to lay down rhetoric about accountability and contextualizing their team's failure.

It sounds like the management philosophies at our respective orgs are very different.