[mcv]

I'm not mastax, but I personally think borders are stupid and we shouldn't be locking people into the place they were born. I want us to move beyond such feudal ideas.

Of course I also understand that unrestrained migration right now would cause massive problems. The real problem here is not the migration itself, but what's causing it. Most people (apart from some adventurous souls) don't normally want to leave the place they were born and where their family lives, except when driven to leave by circumstances, whether those circumstances are poverty, civil war or climate change.

If we have a problem with migration, we should do more to address the causes of migration. And not create more causes for migration.

[leaveyou]

>>we should do more to address the causes of migration

In my opinion not even God himself (if he exists) can address the causes of migration unless He changes the natural rules overnight. The idea that you and me or even Elon Musk + Bill Gates can actually do something to address the actual causes of migration sounds very naive, horribly naive, and please don't take it as an offense. Lets say for a moment that there is a miracle and "we" fix the poverty and the climate in the world tomorrow. How long do you think will that last ? 20-30 years until the world population doubles again ? What do you do then when this overpopulation combined with the corresponding consumption and pollution brings us back to the current situation ? Will you invite "us" all again to fix everything back ? How are "we" going to fix this situation ? By working each of us overtime or what ?

[mcv]

The world population is unlikely to double again. In fact, a lot of countries have shrinking populations. And you know what reduces both population growth and poverty? Education.

I strongly disagree with your defeatism. We have the ability to solve problems, and we have done so in the past. We could do so again. The only thing we lack is the political will.

[leaveyou]

Good intentions and high hopes are worth close to 0. IMHO at least one of us is badly disconnected from reality. In my part of the world "we" fail to educate our kids worse than ever, how on earth are "we" gonna educate the rest 3-4 billion people.. "Somebody do something !!!"

[jacquesm]

> IMHO at least one of us is badly disconnected from reality.

I agree with you there but probably don't agree with you on who that is.

Good intentions are a start, and are worth a lot more than bad intentions, apathy and defeatism.

'Somebody do something' is much better than 'don't threaten my lifestyle'. Better still is 'I will do something'.

[leaveyou]

It looks like you started doing something indeed .. downvoting and flagging inconvenient opinions. So productive. It really proves your point.

[mcv]

I disagree. Good intentions would help a lot. The problem is that in some areas, people with bad intentions dominate.

However, my purpose was initially to point out the possibility. The possibility is there. The next step is what we do with it. If you start out by giving up, you're never going to get anywhere. That's your disconnect.