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by panick21_ 1077 days ago
Tesla has far more then 10GW installed globally.

That said, I am against using batteries, specifically lithium batteries for grid stabilization. I much rather not have grids that need that, sadly politically this is where we are going. To actually have grid stabilizing on a large scale with batteries, new battery technologies will have to come online. Things like 'Form Energy' and stuff like that. Neither batteries nor hydrogen currently are actually good solutions. Hydrogen has a bunch of issues in this application and if you look at totally deployed vs batteries its tiny. Again, reality doesn't seem to believe hydrogen is this great grid stability solution.

I rather have nuclear and not need anything other then maybe some Lithium for peak shaving and grid stabilization. But sadly we don't live in that reality, specially in Germany.

Germany has the delusional believe that they will get cheap hydrogen from Australia and Canada. Lots of plans and 'understanding' in reality Australia doesn't even have enough green electricity to make its own grid green, and they are way behind on things like electrification for cars, trains and trucks. Australia has a very, very, very long way to go, the idea that there will be some large cheap export of Green Hydrogen from Australia in my opinion is just fantasy pushed by some politically connected people in both countries who are selling a fantasy to get government money.

The claims from 2021 that by 2023 there will be all this green hydrogen from Australia, mmmhh we are in 2023 and I like to see some data on how much import there is from Australia right now. Again, lots of announcements, lots plans, lots of 'understanding' but tiny actual numbers.

Politically steel companies are under pressure to do something. They can mix hydrogen into their existing processes and make them slightly greener. Its kind of like Hybrid cars. It will make steel more expensive and many of the plans to really scale this relay on cheap green hydrogen to really be competitive. I'm not against it but I think moving to MOE is gone both cheaper and greener.

P.S:

> Germany, the country that is leading the fight against the global warming challenge in Europe

Pretty funny claims from the country with the dirtiest energy mix in Western Europe.

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> Tesla has far more then 10GW installed globally.

Good to hear - can you provide a link to back that up?

The company I linked above installed the Tesla battery parks that are the the three largest in the world and as their current total (including those) is under 10 GW I'd like to know about the others that make up your total.

> P.S: .. Germany ..

You haven't quoted me, that's not a claim I made.

I simply used Germany as an example of one Europeans's minimum overnight baseload - feel free to pick another.

> can you provide a link to back that up?

Tesla is doing more and more pretty fast, they are up to 4GW per Quarter currently.

Its all in their official numbers:

https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure

About 10GW Q1 to Q1, but that number continue to go up pretty fast.

I can't name all the people they sold all this to. There are lots of individual projects from 100MW to 500MW and lots of individual batteries. I believe in California there is a 1GW project somewhere. There have announced a number of GW scale projects.

I don't have all the links to all the projects but you should track them down in various news articles.