[peoplefromibiza]

> So, before we can get funding for treatment we need public will, right?

Again, that's a different problem entirely.

In my Country healthcare is public and funded by taxation.

We also have publicly funded damage reduction centers where they provide methadone to heroin addicts, problem is most of the time they do not show up voluntarily because of the stigma associated with it, secondly because those willingly participating are already in recover and take it to minimize the effects of abstinence. They are already on the path of healing.

> So long as they are viewed as degenerates unwilling to engage in basic care

They aren't all degenerates, you are putting emphasis on something no one ever said, but they are obviously unwilling or they would not need special treatments.

If they are able to take care of themselves, they don't need external help.

But only a very small minority is.

> A key is to not permit use in rooms but only at safe sites within the building

Which, again, as I've said before, is exactly why they do not need "4 walls with privacy"

Methadone is permitted only in person and they have to assume it in the facility that provides it under medical check, otherwise the first thing most of them would do is trade the methadone with something else.

> Rule violation would mean switching to a monitored room

That's the one thing that makes everything worse: basically it's an house arrest. We do not arrest as many addicts as in the US, but we still have jails full of people that used drugs that would be much better of somewhere else outside a cell (which basically is the 4 walls with privacy minus the drugs plus the suicide opportunity)

> The truth is we need to stop the problem before it starts and the only real way is to prevent traumas

We need to do both.

[DropInIn]

> They aren't all degenerates, you are putting emphasis on something no one ever said, but they are obviously unwilling or they would not need special treatments.

Holy hell active misrepresentation much? Or is your reading comprehension just that poor?

You even quoted it yet didnt actually read it?

> So long as they are viewed as degenerates unwilling to engage in basic care

VIEWED AS

That's not remotely the same as actually being such.

Your whole diatribe is the same disingenuous, misrepresentative, seemingly deceptive, bs.

I'm not engaging with someone so dishonest, regardless of their intentionality.

Be better.

[peoplefromibiza]

> Holy hell active misrepresentation much? Or is your reading comprehension just that poor?

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

> VIEWED AS

Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put *asterisks* around it and it will get italicized.

I am a non native English speaker, but you are honestly trying to have a fight on something that it's not there.

Never said you called them degenerates, but that not all of them are (implying that some of them are), and that the emphasis on the "viewed as degenerates" is superfluous because no one pointed that out in this conversation.

Moreover, they are not viewed as unwilling, they are unwilling or we would not be talking about it.

I'll explain once again: they are not simply "viewed as degenerates unwilling to" they are obviously unwilling, some of them are clearly degenerates and all of them engage in some kind of anti social behaviour, mostly against their family members, which makes them outcasts.

Or the issue we are discussing would not exist!

> Be better.

Never been better, thanks.

[DropInIn]

> Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Yea effing exactly. That's what You did not do

> Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.

Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension, as evidenced by your attempt to use a rule against me that you initially and then repeatedly violated.

Now for the rest of your bs:

You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk.

I'm not being mean or hyperbolic, that s exactly what you are.

I see no value in continuing to engage with someone who plays games with the truth and refuses to engage in good faith.

May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged.

[peoplefromibiza]

> Italics would have been useless with YOU

is uppercase working better?

> since you have such poor language comprehension

so' sicuro che tu invece capisci il romano da paura...

> You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk.

Are you sure you are okay?

Have you tried to talk to a specialist about your rage?

I can help, if you come to Italy, I know many good doctors, my family mostly works in public healthcare here, many of them in psychiatric care, others in infectious diseases, my mom took care of AIDS patients for over 20 years, I grew up playing soccer with addicts in recover, I saw many of them die because they were put behind 4 walls and left alone, please take care of yourself and go to see your friends and family as much as you can.

> May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged.

Fai del male e pensa, fai del bene e scorda.

Male non fare, paura non avere.

[DropInIn]

A lot of ad hominems and other fallacious bs

Pure troll behavior, as detected prior.

Shame on you.

[peoplefromibiza]

> ad hominems

directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.

Like, for example (emphasis is mine, to highlight the relevant bits)

- Italics would have been useless with YOU since you have such poor language comprehension

- Now for the rest of your bs

- You're a hateful bigot hiding behind low effort shit talk

- I'm not being mean or hyperbolic, that s exactly what you are. (I let you, the reader, guess what other biases are present in this sentence)

- May you live in the world as you would have it, so long as you live as the least advantaged. (this is technically a curse, I'll let you decide if you prefer to call it Schadenfreude or malevolence)

Sincerely hoping that you'll be better soon, I send you all my best wishes.

p.s. this is the psychiatric hospital were my aunt worked until it's been shut down.

I used to go visit there when I was a kid, to play with the patients' children, who had not many friends as one can imagine.

I know a thing or two about mental health issues.

If that makes me a hateful bigot, I am proud to be one then.

I'm sure you'll have no problem reading and understanding Italian.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ospedale_psichiatrico_Santa_Ma...