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by piyushpr134 1075 days ago
Japan has one of the most legacy tech as they probably automated them first and an ageing population probably is resistant to change. They still use fax and telegrams quite a lot
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That's an interesting take. I always thought in Japan they have this sentiment of "it's good enough" for machines because in comparison it seems like a lot of old tech like this is still around over there. And I really love that, a lot of modern (software) engineering seems like an economic scam to me that really isn't necessary. Also, I bet the system shown here (once loaded) is super responsive. I keep crying over weird and sluggish web/Elektron interfaces I have to deal with every day
Laziness is the mother of all inventions, as the old saying goes.

Japanese are not lazy, they are one of the most capable people on the planet, but that also means they don't innovate or see the value of new inventions.

A great example is that in the west, we have specific kitchen tools for everything. An apple peeler, for example. Specifically to peel and only peel apples and only apples. Why? Because everyone's a lazy bastard.

But in Japan? One kitchen knife for everything. Yes, one single kitchen knife. For everything. Why? Because everyone is skilled with the kitchen knife to do anything and everything with it, so they don't need to innovate and invent apple peelers.

Or another great example: Japan started using telephones and then mobile phones and that was good enough for them. The west wanted even more convenience and invented smartphones.

As you put it, doing it the old fashioned way is "good enough" for Japan because they aren't lazy. They are both among the most advanced and regressive people on the planet.

I started to have an interest in Japanese kitchen/cooking lately and every cookbook I have lists more than one type of knife as an essential.

Also this article mentions that the chef of the restaurant in the Japan House in London: “Akira has used many different types of knives in the past, but these days he finds that one sturdy knife and one small petit knife are enough to prepare almost any Japanese dish.”

So I’m not sure where you information is coming from but sounds more like myth than fact.

Article: https://www.japanhouselondon.uk/discover/japanese-knives-par...

Fax machines are still popular because you still need to put your hanko on everything in Japan and digital signing services are only just recently catching up to giving people the capability to sign with a stamp.

Give it another decade or two and fax machines will be gone.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YmfFHz2-uC8

> Also, I bet the system shown here (once loaded) is super responsive. I keep crying over weird and sluggish web/Elektron interfaces I have to deal with every day

You're probably right, but the actual software in only a small part of the process here. People have to go and manually cut the punch cards once produced for example, so it turns into an extremely slow and inefficient process overall.

That said, would they benefit from a years-long, 10 times over budget and bug riddled software renewal? Probably not.

That explains why Japan feels like the future in the 80s. Tokyo has this amazing retro-futuristic vibe.
>They still use fax and telegrams quite a lot

Telegrams? Is this some kind of joke? I've never seen anything resembling a telegram here.

Faxes are still used between businesses, which is much the same as the US where they're ubiquitous in the real estate and legal industries.

Telegrams are still commonly used in Japan to send messages of congratulations and condolence.

https://www.denpoppo.com/

https://www.ntt-east.co.jp/dmail/

Wedding and funeral ceremonies often include a segment where someone reads aloud messages that have been delivered by telegram.

This doesn't seem like a technological issue at all, unlike Fax machines. Unless I'm missing something, this is basically like the old-fashioned "singing telegrams" in the US, except without the singing part: you're just hiring a person to deliver a message in-person and read it aloud. The message isn't being transmitted over actual telegraph wires.
I remember few years back Tokyo's Covid-19 numbers plateaued because the hand-written fax system

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-...

https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13373419

The UK's virus numbers did too. But because they ran out of Excel rows and didn't know it.
> Telegrams? Is this some kind of joke? I've never seen anything resembling a telegram here.

They're used for special occasions, you can even get them printed on pretty paper and put in pretty envelopes.

I didn't know that US real estate agents still use faxes. Really??? What are they sending? Floor layout?
Just guessing, but maybe signed contracts
Good point. I wonder if they fax for "round one", then use courier on bike for "round two".
most don't, they use email and signed pdfs like most people, i'm sure there are some hold outs though.
Kind of like how Britain has the oldest train lines.
Idk about others but I would like to have a fax, or even a email where it would cost people to send me mail for direct access to me.