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by lmm 1079 days ago
> No one is silencing these people, they are being lawfully discriminated against (refused service) for their reprehensible behavior.

They're not just being refused service by hosting companies or the like, ISPs are not routing to them. That's new, and that's what I think is worth "planting a flag" about; it's not a newspaper refusing to print your articles, it's the post office refusing to ship your newspaper. If that's not being silenced then I don't know what is.
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tourmalinetaco 1079 days ago
Additionally, for a time the SSL Certificate Authority in Greece was threatening to remove their https:// certificate for “unspecified violations of some clause.”

Said clause being, “specifically”, clause 3.1 of HARICA Subscriber Agreement. Which can be read here: https://repo.harica.gr/documents/SA-ToU_EN.pdf

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hexage1814 1079 days ago
Agree with you.

They are still on TOR, and currently they are back up on sneed.today (not sure why the old domain didn't come back yet?). The site seems to be hosted (I guess?) by TerraHost, a Norwegian company which is owned by the american company Epik, and which refuses censorship. I assume the people wanting to take kiwifarms down will have to go to the upstream providers of Terrahost, since they won't bend the knee.

https://bgp.tools/dns/sneed.today

The fact that they're using Terrahost as a provider isn't new, but the difference here, I guess, is that now they are using an IP owned by TerraHost rather their Null IP/ASN connecting to TerraHost and then to upstream providers such as GTT, and so on...

https://bgp.tools/dns/kiwifarms.net

Not sure what difference this makes, and I'm too much of a noob to understand what is going on exactly, so I might be talking bullshit here. But it seems to be working. Be that as it may, NGOs and institutions who defend the free internet should be opposing the censorship of kiwifarms, but they aren't because everybody knows that most of these institutions have an ideological bias...

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Red_Leaves_Flyy 1078 days ago
>institutions who defend the free internet should be opposing the censorship of kiwifarms

This argument is unsupported by your comment. What value does kf create? Far as I can tell it only destroys value with their trail of suicides and bigoted behavior.

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lmm 1078 days ago
> What value does kf create? Far as I can tell it only destroys value with their trail of suicides and bigoted behavior.

Even if that were true (and I don't think it is), freedom only for those who "create value" is no freedom at all.

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Red_Leaves_Flyy 1078 days ago
You obviously didn’t read the article I cited substantiating this fact.
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Red_Leaves_Flyy 1078 days ago
>ISPs are not routing to them

Distinction without a material difference. This is only slightly to mail delivery services refusing delivery to homes with aggressive animals. In this case it’s telecom operators not enabling violent criminals that could create liability if left unaddressed.

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