[Timon3]

> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact.

Who is not recognizing that fact?

Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here?

People keep throwing in things like this as if it was an actual insight instead of a distraction.

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Please provide some actual insight then.

The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree.

It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people.

Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers.

So what I'm adding here is sense.

It makes no sense to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class when it is clear there will not be global cooperation in addressing climate change. To be clear we are talking about the fact that BRICs will not cripple their growth and economy for the sake of this guilt complex.

Most countries can't even make a measurable change in comparison to these groups.

[Timon3]

> The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree.

The state of the climate already has a direct effect on my life by making summers way hotter than normal. I hate the warm temperatures over weeks, and my grandparents literally haven't known these kinds of summers until the last couple of years. This wouldn't have shifted so fast if it was just the exit of the ice age.

And that's just me disliking warmth. There are people living in areas that now literally are getting too hot for humans, which they weren't previously. There are people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change.

> It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people.

It's having a worse effect just by itself!

> Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers.

And to work towards that fact you spread climate change denial in the form of "we're just exiting an ice age"?

> So what I'm adding here is sense.

You're adding lies.

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>that's just me disliking warmth

Yes it is and your anecdotes don't mean much. You are saying the winters are less severe. The growing season is longer and it is generally more habitable.

>people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change.

Disentangle some emotion from the facts. People are dying less than ever before due to catastrophes. People that die from natural disaster today, largely have encroached on land that was always disaster prone and built massive infrastructure. The cost of natural disasters today is a direct result of populating and constructing in areas that are prone to tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, fire and flooding. It is almost completely preventable.

>you spread climate change denial

False. This is a blatant lie as my comment states clearly, I believe the climate is changing. We are exiting an ice age.

The solutions promoted by people like yourself, are going to cause greater harm than good because you choose to believe the climate should not change! Yes, you who choose to make foolish argument and use phrases like "climate change denial". Yes, you are in denial that the climate is allowed to change.

'The weather should be just the way it was when my grandparents remember the good old days' -you

No, sorry it is you and your internal strife with change that is the problem. Petition the government to change the ways companies and militaries pollute the environment. Leave the rest of us alone with your carbon tax bullshit that we must pay for.

[Timon3]

>>> The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree.

>> I describe the direct effect the state of climate is having on my life

> Yes it is and your anecdotes don't mean much.

What?

> The cost of natural disasters today is a direct result of populating and constructing in areas that are prone to tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, fire and flooding. It is almost completely preventable.

False, natural disasters are happening more often and are more intense, leading people who didn't "encroach on Land" to suffer for it. Just look at the heat in large parts of Asia.

> False. This is a blatant lie as my comment states clearly, I believe the climate is changing. We are exiting an ice age.

I'm sure this felt very clever when you typed it, but you and I both know that I was referring to anthropomorphic climate change, which you are actively denying.

> The solutions promoted by people like yourself, are going to cause greater harm than good because you choose to believe the climate should not change!

Wrong. You know that is not my position, didn't act like you think it is.

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Hey, I don't know you at all or your position. I don't assume anything other than the comments you make. You do seem to assume what I believe.

>you and I both know that I was referring to anthropomorphic climate change, which you are actively denying

I'm not denying anything about climate, I'm denying the severity of outcomes you claim. There is a major difference.

You should look into some data about natural disasters.

They cost more now. That's about it. Don't take some news infomercial segment as truth. Go read the statistics.

If someone makes a claim that something is "more severe" because the damage costs more to repair, then that is technically a factual statement. It doesn't further the position that the event was actually more severe than weather in the past.

The slight changes in weather you've experienced will not make your life shorter. You experience some discomfort because you aren't acclimated to warmer temperatures.

I'm claiming that the predictions of doom due to man made climate change are a farce. They are designed to get at you, emotionally.

It has worked.

The return to an ice age, even briefly (such as the Little Ice Age) would be truly catastrophic with today's population.