[harshaw]

As someone who got out of the web dev game before reaact, I feel like everyone using react has led to most of the web sites (and mobile apps) feeling slow. My judgy view is that when you see apps that appear to be single page but take noticeable time to load their content - that's react. And as someone who built a spreadsheet app in.. say 2006, you have to go native to get good performance. But I base my observations on no real data :)

[notjoemama]

No no. Your observations are correct. The coolness of web hooks prevents anyone from seeing how chaining multiple async operations into a single call chain makes things slow. I know...I know. This is Javascript and the level of abstraction is far beyond the metal I just described. But that's kind of the point here. It's possible to abstract yourself into a performance problem. We've reached peak abstraction.

[eastbound]

You’re missing part of the picture. It also takes a huge time to develop, and requires people with a lot of experience in FE architecture, or you’ll mess up your redux.

I wish I were joking.

[notjoemama]

Yeah, state management has always been a problem on the web.

For others who might not be familiar, redux is a library you can add to your react project to help manage state. There are others but redux seems to be the most popular.