[NoZebra120vClip]

I don't see how a putative loss of revenue causes a victimization here. A victim is an identifiable human being, with the God-given right to life and dignity, who suffers real harm. A multibillion-dollar robotaxi AI company claims to lose a hypothetical $15 fare because their dumbass vehicle is too stupid to move? Not a victim.

[NerdiDotOrg]

It's not just 1 fare though and there are real employees and executives and investors in those companies

[sonicshadow]

We did decide that corporations are people after all

[seanmcdirmid]

Anyone with a 401k or pension is heavily invested in these businesses, so they are at least victims to these crimes. Having destitute retirees around because the economy didn’t grow enough to support their retirements is a very bad thing.

[Two4]

Anyone who speculates with 401k money on relatively risky tech stocks and startups should either be prevented from gambling with other people's money or should accept the risk to their own money.

[seanmcdirmid]

Most 401K money is invested in index funds, which include GM, Alphabet, Meta, etc...

These aren't victimless crimes, just that the people suffering from them are indirect (economic crimes always have victims).