[DocSavage]

Then maybe you shouldn’t generalize your one viewpoint to say that early Ruby/Rails was not a worthy community for professionals or of use to people who practice jointly valued skills like entrepreneurship.

It’s also odd to see your long rant of whimsical vs professional when some of the most well-known companies were built with that community of so-called non-professionals. We have a difference in opinion on what constitutes “professional”.

[throwanem]

The entire point I'm making is that, however well that community may have fulfilled those roles for people embedded in the social context of its ingroup, it did a lousy-to-failing job of the same outside that circle.