[spacKingChamath]

Such a fake comment. You were never excited for AVs.

-As AVs scale, there cost will go below that of personal car ownership -AVs maintain the same flexibility as personal cars, something public transit cannot resolve. -As Personal cars ownership declines, real progress in emissions, land and safety will be made.

Your suggestions just add more regulation and fees that always end up impacting low income people more.

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> Such a fake comment. You were never excited for AVs. I was excited for AVs for most of my life, just like everybody, because it's cool sci-fi tech. But if you start thinking about the whole picture of transportation / urban design... they mostly don't make sense. Just like flying cars.

> As AVs scale, there cost will go below that of personal car ownership Why?

> AVs maintain the same flexibility as personal cars, something public transit cannot resolve.

Sure. Why are we testing/using them in SF, a city that can resolve its transportation needs with public transit and light electric vehicles?

> As Personal cars ownership declines, real progress in emissions, land and safety will be made.

My whole point is we can make these progresses today.

Self driving cars and other innovations cribbed from sci-fi, are a distraction that prevent us from addressing our real issues in real ways.

> Your suggestions just add more regulation and fees that always end up impacting low income people more.

Actually, none of my suggestions would impact low-income people more.

You don't think giving 24/7 control of all personal vehicles to a handful of companies is going to hurt lower-income people?

[spacKingChamath]

People in the industry and those who support it are excited because of the positives impacts it can make. Not because its scifi tech.

At scale the cost per mile of an AV will be below that of an equivalent personal car because of all these factors - High utilization means you are not paying for a car that spends 80% of its life parked and removes the costs associated with that - Insurance, maintenance, and parking costs are reduced because of efficiency gains in a fleet configuration vs personally handling all those things - Fixed upfront cost that goes down considerably as number of vehicles increases

Testing is happening in SF probably because the data shows that SF residents are high utilization users of vehicles and don't use public transit as much as you think. Ex Uber and lyft to 200k trips in SF alone everyday. SF is a difficult city to drive in so it shows real capability and a lot of the people working on this tech happen to live in and around SF.

Autonomous cars are here today. The things you are suggesting will require all car companies to align on new standards and develop tools for the government to interface with there new standard equipment and than deploy that infrastructure. That will require years more of work. AVs use the infrastructure that is there already.

New equipment is not free. It will add costs to vehicles and someone will pay for it. More fees (ex for speeding) are always a bigger burden on the poor.