[grozzle]

What is fenced off for Europeans? Admittedly I've been living outside of Europe for some time, but some of my self hosted stuff is still based there, and a lot of friends, and I haven't had or heard of a problem with being "kept out" of new products.

[theonlybutlet]

Personal anecdote, I think I've encountered a few news/radio stations being blocked (self censored), I think I can count the instances on one hand. I browse a lot. Certain services are blocked like Bard, and Meta Threads, but that's more common with services, even for countries outside the EU.

[TekMol]

Let's go for an unbiased list.

You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far.

And then we go through them and see if they are available in Europe.

[vincnetas]

I think the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim. So you should be providing list of services that are not available to europeans. And bonus points for not using "threads by instagram" in that list.

[TekMol]

    the burden of proof lies on the one who makes a claim

Now you made a claim. Time to proof it.

[troupo]

You literally made a claim in your very first reply: "Tech companies now seem to geo-fence their new products and keep European users out right from the start."

When asked for proof, you've run away.

[tremon]

Will you ever graduate kindergarten?

[ilyt]

basic logic and courtesy 1:0 TekMol

[tough]

Bard

[troupo]

> You name the 10 most important tech products of the year so far.

Do name them, please. And then revisit that list and ask yourself: how many of them exist because of two things:

- unlimited investor money with no expectation of profitability

- blatant disregard of data privacy, user privacy, and/or other laws.

Great example is OpenAI. They said they welcomed regulation. The moment EU proposed level-headed sensible regulation [1] that among other things required documentation on how foundational models are trained and where they get their data, Altman screamed that they would pull out of EU.

[1] https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/the-truth-about-the-eu-ac...

[radiospiel]

...or, say, in Japan.

[ilyt]

I've seen few american news sites and shops showing the fuck you EU page.

which is a bit weird because if shops does none of the business with EU they don't even need it...

[PartiallyTyped]

The only mildly significant thing is Instagram.Threads; other than that, I don't know.

[troupo]

Instagram isn't blocked in Europe.

Threads isn't blocked either. It's Facebook's own conscious decision because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws.

[PartiallyTyped]

I didn't use the word 'blocked', and I didn't say Instagram either.

I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com.

> because they haven't yet found a way to circumvent privacy laws

So the fence is working.

[troupo]

> I said Instagram.Threads, to separate between threads.net and threads.com.

Ah, didn't catch that :)

> So the fence is working.

Indeed.

Sorry for misunderstanding!