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> I don't think it a issue with the language but more that you didn't find your people

I can be more specific: I'm identifying problems with the language ecosystem.

I deliberately didn't shit on the people involved; I'll definitely ride the #not-all-php-programmers (I've met some great ones), but it takes a broken mind to accept a toolchain this historically fallible as something with which you'd want to recreate the Java ecosystem. ;-)

Have you tried Java?

It's definitely a better Java than PHP!