[noduerme]

This is what the micro-nations were on about, people trying to dredge sand up off reefs and take over drilling platforms since the early 1980s to establish "data havens". The long term trend is that no nation will ultimately resist backdoors on encrypted platforms, because militarily they cannot resist the pressure (internally or externally).

The micronation thing is silly, as is relying on a shrinking number of countries which claim they won't enforce these laws. We need satellite-based servers. If I were Musk and had that chain up in the sky, I'd open a simple E2EE Whatsapp for anyone who could ping them directly. At this point, anyone who wants private comms is going to need to go to space for them.

[pessimizer]

> If I were Musk and had that chain up in the sky,

If you were Musk, and if Musk were some sort of superhero fighter for communications freedom. If Musk wants private communication for himself and his friends, I'm sure he can manage it.

[noduerme]

I shouldn't have said "If I were Musk". That's so douchey. I feel like my 90 year old uncle.

I should've said, "If I owned a global chain of communications satellites, I would..."

But then again, would I? I'm not so sure. I ditched and walked away from a really brilliant E2EE platform I had built before I launched it in 2012, whose purpose was to touch off and gamify democratic revolutions in totalitarian states, precisely because I had a dream about it being used by nazis in the west to carry out mass organized violence. I woke up and realized it probably would be used for that, and I shut down the whole project. As a matter of fact, I have a 14 page long handwritten note I wrote addressed to Elon Musk warning him not to do things like that when he tries to de-moderate Twitter, which (since I don't know him, and he wouldn't care) I never sent.

So yeah, even if I were him, I probably wouldn't do what I just said. But it was a really douchey way that I put it. Sorry.

[scarface_74]

Yes because Musk cares about “freedom of speech” as long as it is something he agrees with .

[psychphysic]

What makes you say that?

[scarface_74]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2022/12/16/...

[psychphysic]

I'm not going to read that. Unless you're the opinion columnist for USA today? Cause I asked you about your opinion.

[manicdee]

You asked about why they have that opinion. They provided a link which covers the reasons they have the opinion they have.

[psychphysic]

All they did was reply with a link.

For all I know it's selling me essential oils.

Is it so much to ask for some basic human decency?

[scarface_74]

Is it an “opinion” that Elon Musk blocked links to Mastadon and the account that was tracking his plane using publicly available information?

Or do you just refuse to read anything that contradicts your world view?

[psychphysic]

And we're into ad hominem attacks.

I'm sure I deserved that for asking your opinion.

[lrvick]

Or just used decentralized e2ee comms that already exist?

[noduerme]

Sadly, a centralized, monetized space-based signaling system seems less like pie-in-the-sky to me at this point than does any particular decentralized platform gaining sufficient network effect to become a widely used standard.

[psychphysic]

Any good ones? Last I "used" was BitMessage I ran it for maybe a week and never looked back.

[lrvick]

Try Matrix.

[psychphysic]

Ah didn't even occur to me.. of course. I have been running my own server for a few months using Oracle free tier. Think I'll stick to matrix.org going forwards.