[tarboreus]

Yes, we just need to try harder. Maybe institute a special anti-alcohol secret police, or put people in prison for 25-life if they drink. The Rockerfeller laws were super great, we need more of that.

We could also provide incentives for people to stay inside and play around with their phones, that will encourage less drinking. Also, it seems like, when people get together, they often drink, so maybe we could make assembling in large groups illegal.

Finally, I've read that breathing exercises like left nostril breathing can induce altered states similar to drunkenness, and also that taking OTC pills like sleeping pills can cause inebriation. We should ban all psychoactive OTC pills and keep a close eye on people doing yoga.

[erenyeager]

You make fun and light of efforts to limit the effects on toxins on society, but I’m sure if you saw people dying as a result of alcoholic cirrhosis or the many diseases and incidents occurring from alcohol abuse you would change your mind if you are a reasonable person, about the current drinking culture.

But as people die these terrible deaths, you continue to make fun of the situation. Consider.

[tarboreus]

Dude, I have an uncle killing himself with booze living 100 feet away from me. These things have costs. But trying to make decisions for people doesn't work out, and taking away one of the few things that helps people connect in person is also a dumb idea.

[erenyeager]

Reducing availability of access certainly does work at taking away poisonous substance exposure. Plus people can connect in person in so many better ways, on dignified and beneficial grounds rather than the ultimate harm that comes from drinking culture.

It’s common in our culture to parrot about letting people make their own decisions… where does that take us when it comes to things like covid? When a culture promotes a harmful practice we should call it out. Just like we call out injustice, certainly it is unjust to support a drinking culture that results in so much harm.

[alsetmusic]

Both my grandparents on one side died of lung cancer. I still smoked until I switched to vaping (which may yet have consequences). Your assumptions are less universal than you seem to think.