[firesteelrain]

No, you need to go back and read it again. According to her story, it said:

“ HTML5, CSS3, JavaScript. I’m a master at the first two, but since there was no mention of programming stuff and the responsibilities section was so design-centric, I figured my jQuery proficiency and capacity to self-teach would suffice.”

The entire job description read like a UI/UX designer with a minimal understanding of JavaScript.

Her point is that if they wanted a software engineer then they should have hired one. She isn’t trying to be one.

[nickelpro]

> Experienced with Object Oriented JavaScript and modern JavaScript libraries such as Ember, Backbone, or Angular.

There's no version of a person who meets this requirement that cannot fizzbuzz. They put engineer in the title of the position.

"UX Engineer" is a completely reasonable title for someone who uses Javascript, HTML, and CSS to build web frontends. That person is absolutely a programmer, and absolutely must be able to fizzbuzz (and much, much more).

[firesteelrain]

I understand that you are not familiar with the difference between basic qualification and preferred qualification.

In HR parlance, if the person meets the BQs then they are considered qualified. If someone comes along and you have two equals but the one of the two had the preferred then they are the preferred candidate. Preferred candidate would be expected to know fizzbuzz.

The part you pasted was in the preferred qualifications.

Also engineer term is overloaded here which is also her point

[nickelpro]

If you cannot fizzbuzz you are not basically qualified. Fizzbuzz is the basic qualification test. If you cannot do conditionals and remainder you cannot be expected to be reasonably proficient enough to do anything else of note in the language.

This is not a point of contention. It is the entire point of fizzbuzz. Fizzbuzz was designed to stop wasting interviewer time by filtering out people who could never in any way be construed to be qualified for a position that involved writing code.

[firesteelrain]

You do not need to know FizzBuzz to hire as a UI/UX designer. End of story

[Affric]

All civil engineers think they have the right skills to be architects