[zalew]

> The kebab is a Berlin invention

Wait, wat? Kebab is middle-eastern food with hundreds of years of history. 'Doner kebab' (the popular one in a bread) is Turkish. German sausage has nothing to do with it.

There are lots of ways you can serve kebab/shoarma and none of them are 'wrong' per se. The popularity of doner and roll is probably just a matter of convenience for customers and business owners. The sauce thing was just an observation, and frankly I don't know how what local influence made it served that way in Europe.

[derrida]

according to Time-Out Berlin. Yeah, according to Wikipedia, I'm wrong. Never trust a travel guide. I've been to the Emirates and what they have there is entirely different to what they have in Germany. Australia, France and the Czech Republic have something different, which is 'the greasy thing'.

[zalew]

and that's what I said. cultures mix, cuisine is imported, adapted to local preferences, exported again around other regions, that's how it works. You were only wrong saying that kebab was invented in Germany, it's just that there's where the modern well-known in Europe Turkish doner started do gain broad popularity - that's probably what your guide meant. I assume it was the saucy thing we have all around Europe.

[nir]

The word "Kebab" describes a different dish in the Middle East and in Germany.

[zalew]

All dishes are different around the world - spaghetti, sushi, pizza, hamburger, etc. Sometimes a dish is luxury in one country and casual food in the other. It always differs, even across regions of one country, regional influences, etc. It doesn't mean it's a different dish by definition.

[ido]

No, literally - the middle-eastern "kebab" is called cevapcici in Europe (at least in Ausria/Germany), it's a totally different dish from dönner kebab.

[davidw]

Cevapcici is the southern Slav word for Kebab:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%86evapi#Etymology