[mlyle]

My guess is that the self-driving cars are a bit safer against injury/death per mile (we don't have enough data to know either way), but make stupid mistakes that inconvenience emergency services a lot more.

But we don't know how to make human drivers any better, and self-driving cars are steadily improving (even if that's slowing down a little).

[LeafItAlone]

> make stupid mistakes that inconvenience emergency services a lot more

Maybe. But human drivers already do this way more than I would expect. I’ve seen emergency vehicles stopped and blocked by human drivers who are either paralyzed with uncertainty of what to do or selfishness (no way of knowing what’s going through their minds).

[mlyle]

They're both guesses based on incomplete data. But it sure looks like self-driving cars are still a fair bit worse on the second. The whole "fail safe" thing is great for overall safety but bad for doing something reasonable in these edge situations.

[jonas21]

> But it sure looks like self-driving cars are still a fair bit worse on the second.

How so? We hear about the self-driving car incidents because they're required to write up reports whenever something happens (and it also makes for a good news story). That's not the case with human drivers.

[mlyle]

We're generating a whole lot more videos and fire department complaints about Cruise vehicles doing bad things at emergency scenes than you'd expect for such a small number of vehicles.

It's also the least structured portion with the least clear rules than any other part of the driving task, so it stands to reason it would be worse.

[galeso]

In 2022 there was about one formal complaint per week. Hopefully, there has been a reduction in 2023.

My solution, would be to have free or low-cost self-driving (to keep the cost down) buses and ban cars including taxis. That should move a lot of people and clear out the streets.