[jjnoakes]

> There's not a single smart plug on market that won't connect to cloud to control plug from anywhere.

Don't ZigBee and zwave smart plugs work locally only?

[lima]

Yep. Zigbee is the way to go - it is a whole ecosystem of "local by design" devices.

[tjoff]

If starting anew Thread is probably a better bet. Such as the Eve smart plug.

But with both zigbee/thread the problem is shifted towards the gateway instead so you'll have to do it yourself / pick one tu trust there. But here I think/hope Thread is going to have better interoperability.

[malermeister]

With ZigBee at least there's dumb gateways that just plug into USB. I run one of those using a raspberry pi!

[nucleardog]

Yep. Both are local only by design.

And if you don’t want to deal with the hub potentially being your next issue, you can always throw home assistant on a computer / raspberry pi / whatever and control them locally. If you want remote access when you’re off your network, it’s up to you to figure out how to securely get the bits from your phone to your home assistant server.

[JohnFen]

> it’s up to you to figure out how to securely get the bits from your phone to your home assistant server.

And that's not really terribly hard. I run a VPN server at home, and connect from my phone through that.