[benburleson]

But haven’t we been there for years…and nothing is changing? Or at least not in the direction you’re suggesting.

Seems obvious to me as well: we tried normalizing gun culture and this is what we got. Maybe we should try something else?

[smcl]

What I mean is that at a certain point they can't keep up the "if only X could have had a gun" line, because at that point they will have had a gun and the conclusion that guns aren't helping will be unavoidable.