[yieldcrv]

hmm

on one hand: shoplifters aren’t shoplifting all the time

on the other hand: there are many alternative ways for people to get food now, and I’m fine if a prior infraction raises their costs - such as needing to go to a farmers market, or needing to use a grocery delivery app so a surrogate purchases for them

I would be against this if it meant no way to get groceries

there does need to be an appeals process or way to be removed from the list

[currency]

How are people being added to the database? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? How is abuse prevented in this system? There absolutely should be an open review and appeal process.

After that: If you're homeless, you can't get groceries delivered. In a food desert you might not have alternatives.

I personally believe shoplifting is not as bad as is being portrayed recently and this a solution in search of a problem.

[yieldcrv]

Homeless people can get groceries delivered, you dont need a home just a waypoint, or deliver to a nearby address and wait for the delivery driver.

I do it all the time.

And yes, my comment specifically factored in food deserts, everything about a higher cost of going to places with food factored in everything you thought of and was written specifically for your rebuttals.

[notaustinpowers]

Ah yes, just have the homeless pay a $9.99 delivery fee, plus tip, plus an app service charge, plus inflated pricing in the app. Rather than just walking into the store and buying it themselves. So now that $0.99 packet of ramen now costs, at a minimum, $10.99.

[yieldcrv]

yep, I was pretty clear about that being a tolerable outcome of being barred from grocery stores from prior behavior

as long as there is that alternative as opposed to no alternative

(and as long as the accusations was accurate)

[notaustinpowers]

Then you and I have different views on what's considered tolerable in the wealthiest nation in the history of the Earth. I have no sympathy towards multi-billion dollar companies crying and implementing these ethically dubious systems over a human being stealing food for survival.

[yieldcrv]

sure, I only compare it to an improvement over incarceration or getting fingers chopped off.

I’m in favor of private sector solutions in the absence of policing.

solutions that are even more tolerable when there are additional options, as I mentioned above. if there was a real denial of service I would find that as egregious as you do.

[aurizon]

If they want to use an appeal process, they must enter the legal process and be judged, at which point an appeal is launched. If caught by store security, they have you with the box, they have on video taking the box and walking out of the store = strong irrefutable evidence - with no receipt and that video evidence goose = cooked = fine/jail/record. SO you agree to plea and swear to never come here again and to allow they to take a number of head shots at of a number of poses so machine video can spot you. UK judges have agreed this is OK, and I think it is. Crooks and lawyers hate it because it messes with the 'take'...