[simonw]

I'm definitely not more junior, and I'm seeing massive productivity improvement from Copilot and GPT-4 - but I'm finding it takes a lot of expertise to get the best results, both in my ability as a programmer and in terms of knowing the best ways to use the AI tools.

Learning how to get the best results of them takes a great deal of experimentation.

[lolinder]

This has been my experience as well. I actually avoid recommending Copilot to juniors because I think using it requires a deeper understanding of what you're trying to do than is required to just write the code by hand. When you have that understanding it can be a huge time saver, but it's not something you can just pick up and magically ask to solve your problems for you.

[pjot]

I’m curious what your workflow is like switching between copilot and gpt-4. I typically have an open window for each, though this can feel more cumbersome than necessary at times.

[simonw]

I actually use the ChatGPT UI more than copilot - I write code with it while I'm out walking the dog, by describing what I want, then copy and paste it into my text editor on my laptop when I get home.

I'm increasingly using my LLM CLI tool for quick lookups, and sometimes to make changes to existing code too - see https://github.com/simonw/symbex/releases/tag/1.0

[SparkyMcUnicorn]

Copilot Chat is pretty great. Highly recommend signing up for the waitlist.

https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/join

[aerio]

>i usually have an open window for each

Do you not use the direct vscode integration? I don't think I'd use it otherwise. It's been hugely convenient with.