[ethbr0]

> It's a good concept, it just needs a champion big enough to build a standard process that is elegant and painless and then onboard the largest news sources to kick-start the ecosystem.

Like some sort of HTTP 402 response? https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2616#section-10.4.3

I still say the web would be better than it is now, if microtransactions had been built into protocols ASAP.

Free begat ads begat tracking begat walled gardens begat centralization begat destruction of a diversity of market players

[frumper]

Micro-transactions wouldn’t eliminate ads. How many years did people buy ad filled newspapers or magazines? How about paying for cable tv that channels show ads on in between tv show segments that also do in content ad placement? You’re just describing another source of revenue for websites, not the only one.

[oneshtein]

Paid users are better target for ads, so they cost more. Users are paying to self-select them for the costly, highly targeted ads, increasing income and reducing expenses. Win-Win

[kergonath]

> I still say the web would be better than it is now, if microtransactions had been built into protocols ASAP.

No, for dog’s sake! Microtransactions are a cancer and come with perverse incentives leading to enshitification of everything they touch. They would not solve any issue with clickbait or sensationalism. Plus, I am not going to count pennies when I read news online or manage yet another pseudo-currency.

Some kind of all-you-can-read aggregated subscription is much, much better: more reader-friendly, it comes with incentives to keep readers happy on the long term, and media don’t need to rely only on hit pieces. In fact, Apple News would be close to perfect if it weren’t siloed into its app. I’d sign up with a decent competitor in a heart beat.

[jabradoodle]

An all you can read aggregated source is pretty much micropayments with an extra step involved.

It's not a business model media companies are typically too eager to be involved with in either case.

[kergonath]

> An all you can read aggregated source is pretty much micropayments with an extra step involved.

From the user’s perspective, it is one less step involved. We just have to pay x every months and not think about it. We don’t have to babysit yet another number going up or down on yet another account.

> It's not a business model media companies are typically too eager to be involved with in either case.

Yeah, and I imagine the value proposition is not great, from what we’ve seen in music streaming services. Still, for me it would be better than either paywalls or microtransactions.

[jabradoodle]

> From the user’s perspective, it is one less step involved.

I was replying more to your point that micro transactions lead to perverse incentive structures.

Perhaps an aggregated service over individual service would change the dynamic but I think many of the same incentives would remain.

[chrsstrm]

We already have the Payment Request API, which is more than enough to handle this. My general view on the "process" mostly revolves around the UX from the customer's perspective. Someone needs to build a flow and say, this is how it works, take it or leave it.