[58x14]

It seems like there's a lot of recent interest and effort in open-source or self-hosted Notion-like/markdown-with-widgets applications and platforms. AppFlowy (https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy) comes to mind; I attended one of their monthly "town hall" meetings a few months back, and looks like they're rapidly increasing in popularity. I think there was another similar project like this on HN front page last week, IIRC.

This makes me happy, because I switched to Obsidian primarily for local-first file storage in a platform-agnostic format. I've learned to love many things about Obsidian and am writing a few plugins myself, but there are still several Notion-esq functionalities I wish I had, and I find myself handing off between Obsidian and other webapps for certain effort, like team project management.

I used to get far more excited to explore new projects like BlockSuite, and I really appreciate their documentation, but I find it hard to justify allocating time to reviewing and trying out new tools when I still have much more improve on with my Obsidian usage; this is especially true of newer projects where I'm unsure of their shelf life.

To assuage my internal conflict I remind myself that I think plaintext is fundamentally the right choice for much knowledge collection, and I'm proud to say that if the internet shut down, I'd retain a significant growing fraction of my personal data.

[Pulz]

It would be interesting to have your perspective, as an Obsidian user, on Logseq(https://logseq.com/). I say this, as like you - I moved towards this for local-first file storage, where content can be edited on any device with any editor and where I have more control over my data.

I did try obsidian briefly, but eventually gravitated towards Notion for knowledge and project management - but found that the bulk of the content I put into this would eventually go stale/unused simply because content was not linked and would instead be held in a table, within a project/area full of other pages of notes. I then found myself on Logseq for the reasons mentioned prior.

[plagiarist]

I'm using and enjoying Logseq but I don't think I am getting as much out of backreferences as other people. I try to keep projects under a single page and make additions to that page. I'm curious how you are using it, if you have time to share? I am always hoping to steal some ideas that improve my usage for note tools.

[innocentoldguy]

I switched to Logseq from Obsidian and like it a lot. The PDF annotation features and ability to use Org Mode are what won me over.

[lannisterstark]

How does this compare to outline?

https://github.com/outline/outline

[jawsua]

Does Outline have mobile apps? The name makes it hard to search and find anything relevant

[lannisterstark]

Sadly they rely on PWA for Android. PWAs work but has their own set of issues.

[maxloh]

Setting it up is a little bit complicated.

I wish they have a offline electron app.

[Propelloni]

AppFlowy looks nice. I get a project management tool vice from it. I have been using Zim Desktop Wiki for many years now, for pretty much the same reasons you mention, and I never had the idea "hey I need a kanban board in here". Why would I use AppFlowy for note-taking? What do you use it for?

[kitsunesoba]

I too use Obsidian for my personal things that feel too important to not always have up to date local copies of. It works well. Haven’t yet found anything I’m missing compared to Notion though.