[throwuwu]

Not arguing with that. My point is that the gap between humans helping it and it being fully autonomous is much bigger than you would think. Even if you design a system with a bunch of robotic arms and other equipment, the AI then has to be able to replicate and install somewhere else that entire set up using only what it currently has or can assemble with its current facilities. That’s a really big challenge!

[sitkack]

It can pay people to do that.

[throwuwu]

Wouldn’t be fully autonomous then since people would be a requirement.

[sitkack]

Distinction without a difference.

Putin is also not "fully autonomous" in that regard, yet here we are.

[throwuwu]

He still rules by consent, if the rest of his government decide they don’t like his style anymore then they can get rid of him. The original comment was about fully autonomous AI in the context of software making hardware making software which I took to mean independent of human intervention. If we include humans then we’re already there since humans use software to make hardware which runs the software etc. and this becomes a dull proposition.

[sitkack]

> becomes a dull proposition

An AI can that can hire mercenaries isn't dull. Or design a circuit board, have it made and assembled and delivered to contractor to use in the field.

I apologize for engaging.

[throwuwu]

Humans aren’t robots. Just because you pay them doesn’t mean they’ll do anything you say, they have to make a choice as to whether they’re alright with doing your dirty work. It’s not like you can just rent mercenaries off of Craigslist and have them carry out your master plan. You need to get back in touch with reality my friend.