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by Eisenstein 1094 days ago
> You are assuming the intent of the poster. Your "civil rights" example does not capture the same (ambiguous) spirit that the poster's use of "woke" captures.

I gave the benefit of the doubt and a warning that they might be misinterpreted.

> As far as I can perceive it, the majority of people haven't arrived at the conclusion that woke is a slur.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
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mech987987 1094 days ago
If you had really given them the benefit of the doubt, you would not have implicitly shamed them for using the language they chose to use. Or explicitly shamed me for defending their choice of language.
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Eisenstein 1094 days ago
They used terminology in a way that carries implications. If by pointing that out I brought them 'shame' then so be it (and notice how they never decided to contradict the 'if you don't care' part, so let's not give benefit of the doubt any more).

If you feel ashamed for me arguing against you, then you shouldn't as long as you were doing it out of ignorance and in good faith. However just because you are not aware of or don't believe certain things does not make them cease to exist.

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mech765 1094 days ago
(posting from cell w/ other account)

You haven't given any indication that you have considered any of my points in any meaningful way. I'm just gonna accept the fact that you want to continue your linguistic mission and disengage. Judging by your comment history you have a habit of winning wars of attrition.

Please at least consider the idea that being the censorious force in the world can worsen the quality of discussion.

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Eisenstein 1094 days ago
> You haven't given any indication that you have considered any of my points in any meaningful way.

You are right. I need to work on not being so dismissive.

I think this correspondence would have been more appropriate and fruitful as an 'essay'/'counter-essay' instead of this social media format which tends to drive me to look for a decisive, pithy 'win'.

Sorry for railroading you and thank you for being courteous.

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lynx23 1094 days ago
Thanks for taking the time to stand up to this kind of arguing. As a non-native speaker, I definitely dont have the stamina to enter a real discussion with this type of person.
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Eisenstein 1093 days ago
Why don't you ask them what they think about your behavior in this conversation?
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