[thensome]

Newb feelings: stuff is changing really fast and hopefully it's good! Old people who don't even know anything about programming are running everything and refuse to retire and let us get on with actually doing stuff.

Young dudes are way more respectful of other engineers' actual skill, and less likely to ask female coworkers on dates or do other weird things that drive them away. My mom has actually seen a few younger guys step up and defend her after like forty years of handling these dickbrains on her own. The social side of things, at least in most companies we've seen, has become moderately better for everyone who isn't at work to get a date.

[JohnFen]

Wait...

> Old people who don't even know anything about programming are running everything and refuse to retire and let us get on with actually doing stuff.

and

> Young dudes are way more respectful of other engineers' actual skill

Directly contradict each other. Those "old people" you're insulting probably know more than you think. I'll admit that I'm biased, being a graybeard myself, but I don't know of any engineers my age that are still working who don't have a modern skillset.

[thensome]

Oh sorry, I don't mean old engineers who actually keep up with tech. There are plenty of people who are young and don't care about improving their skills, and plenty of old people who are smarter than everyone else. I think part of it is also that my awareness of this is from big companies that do military contract type stuff, and there's a lot of people who have just been around forever and climbed the corporate ladder with things other than engineering skills who are not good at communicating with engineers. Though I guess this is now a selection bias because in twenty years maybe the zoomers will be in charge and do the same thing :P

[notRobot]

The old dudes in the first quote appear to be managers and non-techies, when the latter quote explicitly mentions engineers.

[JohnFen]

Ah, my mistake. I'm a bit touchy about age-related comments because it's become so incredibly common for young devs to assume that older devs have old, out of date skills. So I flinched.

That's another thing that makes me think I need to get out of this industry.

[tracker1]

I get it, getting closer to 50 myself. I've seen plenty of older devs that try to coast it in at the end. I never had any intention of ever retiring, so I just keep learning. Still spend 10-15 hours a week reading on things. I don't always have the motivation to actually experiment on non-work projects as much though.