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by donkey_oaty 1087 days ago
On my experience most lecturers and professors welcome challenge because it allows them to expand on what they are teaching.
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They welcome shallow challenges that allow them to demonstrate their intellectual superiority by correcting them.

They most certainly don't welcome challenges to the basic assumptions on which their teachings rest.

Not that professors are in any way unique in that regard; it is a trait shared by all people with power and authority.

They most certainly don't welcome challenges to the basic assumptions on which their teachings rest.

Professors are trying to teach a class, not engage in a debate with a student. Challenging basic principles that everyone in the class are already assumed to have accepted is usually seen as an attempt to derail the lecture.

Derailing the lecture and drawing the professor into a debate with you effectively denies the other students access to education. It’s roughly equivalent to heckling a comedian.

If you want to debate your professor, do it on your own time, in office hours. If the professor is still offended and unwilling to debate then you have reasonable grounds to complain. Most professors I’ve met absolutely love to debate outside of class.

Well, there are challenges and there are challenges.

A professor teaching about evolution will answer students' questions within reason - and students with a religious background might have heard some anti-evolution gotchas the professor will be happy to explain - like how something as complex as the eye could evolve.

But that doesn't extend to debating bible verses, allowing so many challenges that it disrupts the class, or changing the exam so you can pass it while denying evolution exists.

That you leap from "basic challenges" to anti-science fundamentalism really shows how deep-rooted this problem is. Most educated people today earnestly believe that the only ones who would disagree on basic issues with the high priests of academia are fanatics, conspiracy nuts, and quacks.

The idea that academics are on the right path has turned from something that must be continuously demonstrated to something that is assumed by default, as part of a new orthodoxy that ironically is almost indistinguishable from the religious and ideological orthodoxies that science once sought to replace.

> The idea that academics are on the right path has turned from something that must be continuously demonstrated to something that is assumed by default [...]

You're talking about a Ph.D. level investigation, not something that is usually considered at the level of an undergraduate in the US.

Most beginners lack the contextual knowledge to recognize even glaring errors. For example, I once saw a distributed application that occasionally updated a central database without any locking. Occasionally the data would get corrupted by simultaneous writes, and the original dev had no idea why.

Consider adding more context if you want to continue to write about dogma in academia. Share your own experence. At the level of generality you are writing it's impossible to engage more because we don't share the same context.

I don't know how you arrived at that interpretation of my post.

I chose evolution merely because a substantial and politically important group of Americans earnestly disagree with the academic consensus; it's an area where there has been genuine public debate; it's foundational to some academic fields; and it would believably come up in first year compulsory classes.

I might disagree with academics about whether mailing a survey to mentally competent adults counts as human experimentation that needs ethics board approval, as outside of academia people use surveys all the time. But that's hardly something an academic would refuse to discuss.

I might disagree with academics about feminism or marxism or underwater basket weaving - but that stuff's all elective, why would I have taken an elective module from a teacher I thought was full of shit?

I might disagree with the high tuition costs of universities, and the money wasted on sports, overpaid administrators, and overpriced journal subscriptions. But most academics would actively agree with me, they just can't change it.

I might disagree with details of how a course is taught, like whether Java is a good language for an introductory CS class. Or whether we really need so much math in the CS curriculum. But that's not really a fundamental belief.

I might disagree with academics because I think the moon is made of cheese, but that would be a straw man argument.

It sounds like you had a bad experience with a bad professor, or - came in starting with this attitude.

Because this doesn’t match my experience, at all.

There is just enormous variability with professors. The more MOOCs you take the more obvious this becomes.

If you had good professors in college you should consider yourself lucky.

There is a lot of absolutely terrible professors.