[ilyt]

Sorry, I ran out of fucks somewhere in the middle of COVID. Them nuking their own army/PMC themselves would be small price if that ended Ukraine's conflict

> Let's not participate in the vilification of the Russian people.

I'm vilifying their leadership. But I'm still amazed there is no revolt there

[avgcorrection]

> Sorry, I ran out of fucks somewhere in the middle of COVID.

Oh my gosh. Did having to wear masks in public and self-isolating make you a badass on the Internet?

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

>I'm villifying their leadership.

Do you think the nukes would hit the Kreml? Or potentially millions of innocent civilians?

[shepherdjerred]

At what point are the citizens of a country responsible for what the country's military is doing?

Note: not advocating for a nuclear genocide, but I do feel that citizens become culpable if they are allowing their country to stop on others and they aren't protesting or emigrating (if possible)

[ilyt]

At the point where they go to war for their tyrant instead of toppling it down.

[mtlmtlmtlmtl]

Well, avoiding the deeper philosophical waters, I would say whatever responsibility is there would depend on how democratic the country is. Russia is very far from being a functioning democracy at the moment. Sure they have elections, but they're likely partially fixed, freedom of the press is a joke, political protest is punished harshly(typically with violence), and opposing political candidates are prosecuted on false charges, jailed, even killed. Given this, I think holding the Russian people as a whole responsible for the war seems unreasonable. Certainly there's some responsibility there in various ways in terms of the personal contributions of individual people. But precisely because Russia is so undemocratic, the distribution of responsibility is heavily distributed onto the oligarchy and military leadership.

But like you say, genocide is never justified, no matter what. And that was mainly what I was reacting to.

[ilyt]

I was never talking about hitting any population centers, just using the weapons, that's entirely your misunderstanding.

Also russia is already far on genocide scale looking by their actions in current war

[ilyt]

Nope, I'd think that if ever something so bizzare would happen it would be tactical nuke targeted at bigger gathering of wagner forces. Little hitler at power there wouldn't care of a village or two got wiped if alternative was coup succeeding.