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by watwut 1091 days ago
Russia nuking themselves does not imply that tho. It would be same humanitarian catastrophe as Russia nuking Ukraine, Russia blowing up that nuclear plant in Ukraine they are currently likely planning to blow, Russia blowing up the damm.

Meaning, it would be exactly the same humanitarian disaster as Russia is comiting elsewhere right now. Only difference is that a.) nationality of innocent victims b.) event that harms Russia itself as opposed event that harms countries around Russia.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 1091 days ago
I'm not sure what you mean here. I'm not saying we should somehow care more about Russians than about anyone else. I just don't think Putin nuking cities with millions of people would be hilarious in any sense of the word, and I don't see how that changes based on which side of the border it's on.
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oneshtein 1091 days ago
Basically, you say that if two killers will shoot each one, then it's the exact same tragedy as when they shot innocents. In your eyes, offender and defender are both innocent people.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 1091 days ago
No, this is not what I said. It's so far from what I said or even implied, I'm not even sure how to explain it in a way you won't completely twist around.

I guess this will suffice: a nuclear assault by the Russian state, on Russian soil, is not "two killers shooting eachother"; whether they're aiming for Wagner group is irrelevant, since it would also kill thousands if not millions of civilians. Hence, it is an act of genocide.

I thought this was completely obvious, so I left it implied, but clearly things need to be spelled out to the nth degree around here.

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watwut 1091 days ago
Genocide is not defined by number of victims, but rather by intent. If the actual target is Wagner and civilians are "side victims" then it does not fall into genocide definition. If your intent is to destroy some group in population, for them to not exist, then it becomes genocide. Even if you fail to kill that many people of use non lethal methods.
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mtlmtlmtlmtl 1091 days ago
Oh, you're right, I change my mind. It would be hilarious after all.

What point are you even trying to make here?

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