[brutusborn]

Does anyone have sources for this stuff?

I am seeing a lot of conjecture and not a lot of substance. Is this whole thing based on a couple telegram videos? Is there anything to suggest they aren’t just propaganda deepfakes?

[shusaku]

The Eastern Border podcast has been my go to for awhile: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/prigozhin-crisis/id107...

The fog of war over Ukraine does continue to frustrate. You really wish there was live, perfect info sources to keep you in the know, but even ten years from now there are sure to be questions.

Edit: just got through the most recent episode and want to warn that it’s a bit crazy conspiratorial, but interesting…

[diimdeep]

Read sources. Use translation services like (google translate or yandex translate) to read official Telegram channels [1][2][3]

[1] MOD https://t.me/mod_russia https://t.me/mod_russia_en

[2] Wagner https://t.me/orchestra_w

[3] Director of the Information and Press Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova

[jussij]

There are plenty of youtube videos showing Wagner forces control the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don. They can't all be fake.

[diimdeep]

Here is local news agency in Rostov with plenty of media https://t.me/privet_rostov_ru

[JumpCrisscross]

Phillips O’Brien has been writing presciently [1].

[1] https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien

[vernon99]

https://t.me/milinfolive

Here’s a pretty good source of almost realtime updates, one of the large pro-war Tg channels. If you are on paid Telegram membership, I think it allows to translate all content.

Not a fan of such media, but I’m from Rostov area so had to subscribe today to stay tuned.

[TheAlchemist]

There was some doubt at the beginning, but now that Putin made a speech on national TV, I think there are no more doubts.

[hutzlibu]

It definitely is real, that the head of Wagner, which acted as Putins man of brute shadow force - is now an enemy of Putin. This was coming since a while, since Prigoshin stepped over the line many times and he refused the ultimatum by the Russian Ministry of Defence, to put Wagner Forces tightly under MoD control. And now things are escalating.

Everything else is filled with deepfakes, old footage and co

But Wagner forces are around 25 000. It is not clear how loyal the bulk of them are towards Prigoshin personally (I have my doubts) but many russian russians share the hate for the MoD.

And there is solid evidence, that they control some area.

[brutusborn]

What makes you so sure?

[watwut]

Not him, but for the last two years, I aggressively unfollowed all sources that posted wrong or premature information. I kept only those who limited themselves to what was confirmed and openly admitted error in case of mistake.

It is doable. With that strategy, I get more cautious news, not the hottest of the hot stuff, but I am pretty sure thing is happening now.

[hutzlibu]

Because russian state TV is a legit source of Putin speeches?

[brutusborn]

Surely someone records this and translates it for western eyes. Do you have a source link or are we just playing Chinese whispers?

[hutzlibu]

Erm, you can directly check tass.com if you like. They even have a english version.

Or really any other russian source. Russian militar blogger telegram channels, etc.

(It is a good habit btw. to always also have a look at the opposing side of view)

[brutusborn]

So looks like the coup was fake, I find it funny that the coup ended before you could send a single source link. I just wanted to know where people got their info, I wasn’t asking for much.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/24/europe/russia-putin-wagne...

[watwut]

If you put it into Google, you will find exactly that from multiple sources.

I do not know which accounts or news agencies you find reputable, so I do not know which one to link so you trust it. But you yourself should know which journals or accounts you trust.

[watwut]

Putin made speech in national TV.

[WeylandYutani]

Funny thing is that there were Western journalists in Beijing 1989. The CCP never arrested a non Chinese journalist.

Putin doesn't care about diplomatic relations and almost every reputable media has fled the country.

[areyousure]

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/06/04/CBS-asks-Washington-... https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/07/05/China-arrests-Taiwan...