[paxys]

> Somehow it manages to work.

It manages to work because expensive law schools and the state Bar do all of those things on behalf of her law firm. Meanwhile you can call yourself a programmer after taking a 30 minute online tutorial and writing a hello world script – and that is a good thing. We do not need gatekeeping in this profession.

[ClumsyPilot]

We have certifications too - Azure, AWS, security ones, etc.

But a person with 15 certifications still gets asked to do a coding test

[scarface_74]

And those certifications mean absolutely nothing. There have been brain dumps for certifications for years.

Even if you don’t use brain dumps, it’s easy to memorize enough from studying something like ACloudGuru.

I got my first (of nine) AWS certifications (AWS Solution Architect) without ever logging into the console. But the only reason I get any of the certifications were to know what I don’t know and as a guided learning path.

For the first one, I was already a dev lead and wanted to know enough to know what I needed to experiment with when the company was trying to “move to the cloud”

My next 5, I was already the de facto “cloud architect” at a startup responsible for “application modernization”

And my last three (that I did within three months of each other), I was (and still am) working at AWS in the Professional Services department.

I can assure you that I don’t know but about 30%-40% of what those nine certifications cover well enough to hold an intelligent conversation with a customer and I only know the 30-40% from hands on experience.

[isbvhodnvemrwvn]

I think the only benefit for me is that they hammered IAM concepts into my head, as they are a huge mess on AWS.

[Apocryphon]

Then that sounds like we need more accurate certifications.

[isbvhodnvemrwvn]

Have you taken any of those certificates? They can be passed from reading exam dumps and without proven hands on experience mean nothing.

[johnnyanmac]

And to be fair, I get it. Industry is too diverse to have one end all be all test. An AWS certificate won't mean much for my domain in games (unless you maybe work on online infrastructure for an ongoing service game).

But at the same time I wouldn't mind some fundamental license to optionally bypass many of these common tests.