[JumpCrisscross]

> perplexed by the attitude of the (I presume) Europeans in this thread

It's deflection. ESA and ArianeSpace have left a massive strategic hole in Europe's capabilities, in large part due to the arrogance of their leadership.

I haven't met a capable European (and yes, I think I can speak that broadly to this) who couldn't communicate why they'd be good at a job or why a job done was done well. When people say they're eschewing promotion out of humility, it's usually because they don't have anything promotable or are bad communicators.

[martin8412]

Anybody competent I know, don't go around boasting about doing their jobs well. Your job doesn't define you, and you don't make it your personality in Europe. You do the job you're asked to do and move on. It's just part of your employment, not some major success. The ones who do boast are making up for their incompetence by pointing to their few successes.

[Aeolun]

> I haven't met a capable European

Or maybe you’ve just been unable to appreciate it for the ones that didn’t promote themselves your way?

I do a really good job, but there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for.

[martin8412]

Exactly .. The guy above is just unable to appreciate those people, because they don't have to boast about doing what they're paid to do well. It is super basic. People boasting are usually less qualified.

[JumpCrisscross]

> there’s no reason to make a big deal out of it because that’s what I’m hired for

I grew up in Europe, so I understand what you’re saying. Constant self promotion is one thing. Knowing when to point out that you have the skills to help or taking credit when it’s due (and callable upon) is another. Most of the people who complained about not being able to do the latter had little more than effort to call on.