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by c00lio 1098 days ago
If this were a human driver, at least half of those would loose you your driver's license. Why are there no such consequences for the companies?
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None of those will lose you your license in California. I'm not sure how to lose your license in California, as I don't know of anyone personally who has lost their license.

There was a case in the news where someone was exceeding the posted speed-limit by 150kph on an undivided highway (i.e. just a stripe between you and the traffic going the opposite direction) and got a 6 month suspension.

I was on the jury for a case where the defendant was involved his third DUI, fled the scene of the accident, and still had his license.

Are you joking? Name any jurisdiction in America where you can lose your license for parking in front of a firehouse. There are no points for that in California.
You mean parking in front of a firehouse, having it open its doors, having a firetruck come out with lights and sirens, and then continuing to sit there blocking its way while twiddling your thumbs? That would most certainly warrant some kind of criminal charges.

We need to stop allowing computational agents (and thus those who deploy them) to escape blame as if they don't exist, or as if their behavior is just nobody's fault. Computational agents need to be viewed as bona fide actors (as people are), with the actions of the computational agent being considered the willful actions of whomever deployed it.

OK, then the US is a very strange place. I'm European, so forgive my ignorance in those matters, I thought things worked similarly over there.
LOL no. Personally I look upon the Swiss "via sicura" regime wistfully. I want people who speed through central cities to go to jail and have their cars crushed.
You won't immediately loose your license for speeding, even in Switzerland. Afaik it'll be expensive until 20km/h over, only after that will the really nasty things like criminal prosecution and car impound start (for first-time offenders, repeat offenders are punished more harshly).
40km/h over in a built-up area in Switzerland is not only an automatic fine and loss of license, it is automatic jail time with no judicial discretion. This is the equivalent of 45MPH in a city, for the American readers.
Some states have "super speeder" punishments similar to this, with mandatory jail time if you're over a certain speed (>100mph usually) or just over a certain amount over the speed limit (double the limit, or something).

Either way, none of those address the new problem of robotaxis. If any normal human did this type of thing, you could go scream at them or honk your horn enough for them to figure it out. If it isn't programmed into the robotaxis logic it won't do anything as shown. Or possibly do the wrong thing.

Yes, but there are a lot of "in-betweens":

https://www.ch.ch/en/vehicles-and-traffic/how-to-behave-in-r...

As long as we can also jail the people who, for no fucking reason whatsoever, drive 15 mph slower than the rest of traffic, too.
If the rest of traffic is driving 15 mph faster, clearly it isn't difficult to ignore the people driving slowly. So if anything, surely it's the people who want them imprisoned who should be punished. Their crime? Poor priority management.
Just lose your license? If I did one of those, I might get sued. If I did more than one, I might wind up in jail. (What charge? Reckless endangerment, if nothing greater.)
You won’t even lose your license for killing people or multiple DUIs