[maerF0x0]

Seems to me a simple regulation like a fire department access in buildings could solve this.

eg1: What about a direct line to a 24/7 operations center with cruise?

eg2: Or how about a proximal access console controller that allows them to take control of the the vehicle (with occupants consent if occupied) .

This neednt be a total ban on AVs

[7952]

That seems like a solution in an emergency, but these kind of interactions must happen all the time. And it is part of a wider problem where the baseline data about the world changes and not communicated in a standardised way. It could be a fire truck, road closure for cycling event, tornado ripping through a town, a terrorist attack, a secret service motorcade, oil on the road, anything. And dealing with those situations is much easier with that data. Making that data explicit could help everyone, not just self driving cars.

It would be useful if vehicles with sirens/emergency lights/hazard lights could broadcast position and identity in a similar way to ADS-B. Make data open and allow third parties to forward, store and re-broadcast that data. Make the consumer of the data (such as a self driving car) responsible for how it uses that data.

[maerF0x0]

> It could be a fire truck, road closure for cycling event, tornado ripping through a town, a terrorist attack, a secret service motorcade, oil on the road, anything.

Some of these are likely just a lack of training data.

However, I agree that there needs to be a better self awareness of "Cruise has insufficient training data about this exact situation, now we fall back into a safer discovery mode, where we make reasonable guesses and also ask for the help of an operator"

[srj]

The time it would take to pull out a phone and call a Cruise support line is already too long.

[maerF0x0]

first of all it'd be a dedicated emergency line, like 911 to Operations center direct.

Second of all, if that is not fast enough, then humans are insufficient too. You cant just magically get people to act (a lot of the time they'll do the wrong thing and fail to even recognize what situation they're in at the moment) Notice how bumper to bumper traffic is pretty bad for EMS, people do not know how to react.

[srj]

Honking your horn and getting the person to pull away is pretty fast. By comparison it takes several minutes to get through to 911 where I live. Not to mention most humans would know better than to park in front of a fire department driveway or drive through caution tape.