[jeffbee]

These articles always conflate all industry participants but when you dig into it, it's always Cruise that is causing the problem. SFMTA's complaint to the state about Waymo cites 13 incidents in Appendix B involving Cruise cars. The very best thing Waymo could do is lobby the state government to establish strict rules so their own reputation doesn't get diluted by Cruise.

There are a quarter million vehicle crashes in the DataSF Fire Department Calls For Service. Self-driving cars will prevent these. It's the systematically better way to go.

[rurp]

> There are a quarter million vehicle crashes in the DataSF Fire Department Calls For Service. Self-driving cars will prevent these.

That's a bold claim. Do you have evidence to support it? I'm not talking about results from controlled or ideal driving conditions, I mean evidence showing that self driving will definitely be better at the conditions those quarter million accidents occur in.

Perhaps there's some research I'm unaware of but as far as I know the best we can say is that self driving might end up being safer for general usecase driving, but that there are wide disagreements about how likely that chance is.

[hamolton]

After riding in both Cruise and Waymo cars in SF, I think that Waymo cars are so much more road-ready. While my Waymo rides all seemed pretty smooth albeit with a timid driver, my cruise rides featured extremely skittish behavior around other cars, missing several turns to avoid being around others, and stopping in odd places, especially for dropoff and pickup.

[foobarbazetc]

Yup. Waymo >>>>>>>>>> Cruise.

It’s not even close.

Still wouldn’t get into a Waymo for another 3-5 years, but the quality gap is huge.

[kakuri]

I have seen several Waymo cars stopped for no good reason or blocking the street while very slowly trying to figure out what to do.