[rhyme-boss]

I'm jealous of older generations that were at least compensated for their hard work. We're expected to hustle all the time, for no benefit in our personal lives.

Software engineering is a "high earning job", yet the basic shit it affords you isn't even to the level of "low" and "middle" paying jobs of the past. You can grind yourself to the bone for years and still not be able to afford to buy a home and raise a family.

[wonderwonder]

I think it depends where you live. Its relatively easy to land a 100k plus job after a couple years in software in the US. If the argument is things are just way more expensive now, then preach on, its insanity how much a trip to the grocery store costs now.

[Claude_Shannon]

That feels like USA thing. In Europe it's way lower in average, in Poland average programmist will earn 6-7k per month - around 1.700 USD

Heard similarly about pay in Germany - being a programmist doesn't pay you well

[mkaszkowiak]

An average programmer in Poland earns 18k PLN net monthly, which is around 14k PLN after taxes. This is 5 times the minimal salary - UoP after taxes equals to ~2709 PLN monthly. You can earn 6k even at an internship outside of Warsaw. This allows you to live in really comfortable conditions, no matter what city you're in.

In my opinion, Poland is one of best countries to be a programmer in Europe, due to the possibilities of overseas remote work, low costs of living and very low taxes. As for Germany - well, maybe someone else can chip in

[Claude_Shannon]

If you're very good. Most people aren't, and we should keep that in mind.

But yes, if you are good, honestly... there's not much reason to move unless you disagree with the current politics.

[pc86]

Literally the first sentence: "I think it depends on where you live."

[Claude_Shannon]

I know, sorry if it sounded that way - I was just trying to add to that.