[mandmandam]

I used to think they were inept with their messaging; and naive in their drive for bipartisanship, and only slightly, tolerably corrupt.

Their actions expanding wars in the Middle East, extending the Patriot Act, covering for fossil fuel atrocities, prosecuting whistleblowers, failing to end torture or even try very hard, etc, put a lot of doubt on that.

The way they treated Bernie and other progressives has sealed the deal, for me - they weren't the tiniest bit inept all of a sudden.

That was cold, calculating, ruthless, and effective. They took the mask fully off, and I'm startled that so many people still think they're bumbling goons. The hyper-cynical way Dem elites managed to blame Sanders for Hillary's loss killed my last shred of hope for America to turn things around.

I guess this could be considered off-topic, or flamebait. But it's important.

[psadauskas]

I think the Dems have to act like they're supporting regular people, but actually support their wealthy elite benefactors, and that dichotomy is what makes them look inept. "Tax cuts for the wealthy? The Republicans made us do it, we didn't have a choice!"