[pmoriarty]

"They historically took on the reliability role, of nobody else did, but they were implementing reliability on top of a house of cards, which is a kind of hypocrisy that makes even mediocre devs bristle. Don’t lecture me on robust software, boyo. Your tools are made of string cheese and staples."

I don't know why you'd blame ops for the crappyness of the tools they have at their disposal.

Yes, Ansible, Salt, Puppet, and Chef are spaghetti-code inducing congealed messes of design. So are large collections of complex shell scripts.

So what's the alternative? What spherical cow of a configuration management tool from Platonic dev heaven shall be foisted on us this time?

I'm sure it'll be super clean and elegant this time, unlike the last thousand shitty tools they made.

And don't get me started on devs that think they're qualified to do ops when all they know is their language of choice (if even that) and have never thought about the network, security, capacity, redundancy, failover, reliabililty, hardware, backups, the rest of the company or other users.

[jrott]

No no no Kubernetes or Serverless or ChatGPT is going to save us this time.

More seriously it always going to be complicated and annoying. It's really past time we started dealing with the fundamental complexity of everything we are trying to do with software.