[onlyrealcuzzo]

> Upper Market, North Beach, Hayes Valley, Valencia St, Mission Dolores, Polk Street, Upper Nob Hill, Haight Ashbury -- all fun locations.

This is like 2 sq miles of the city, maybe... If you add in Golden Gate Park and Presidio - you're still only at 1/8th of the city being nice. That's not a great ratio.

Especially when the nice parts aren't all connected and you can't venture more than a few blocks until you're out of a nice area (unless you're in one of 2 parks).

[scarmig]

The Mission District alone is almost 2 square miles. Add in a couple more decent neighborhoods (particularly the Sunset and the Richmond), and you're probably at half of SF's 49 square miles.

[nwienert]

Are we claiming the Mission is nice? Because it's really not, even the nicer parts worsened pre, during, post pandemic.

[scarmig]

At some point, nice is subjective. And Mission definitely has some sketch spots. But Castro, Eureka, Noe border it and are even nicer; then there's Hayes and the Haight and Alamo Square; head west on Haight and you get to Cole Valley and the Inner Sunset; north of Haight you'd hit a few patchy blocks on Fillmore but then come to Japantown, Pac Heights, the Marina. And that list is not even close to exhaustive: the point is that there are large contiguous areas that are nice, walkable, and safe.

[nwienert]

But all of those places have a lot of bums accosting people and shouting, tents right along main walkways, poop in the streets, etc.

[whimsicalism]

It's much nicer than soma in my opinion and there are basically only two drug dealing/prostitution corridors along shotwell area and capp.

[fmajid]

The Norteńo and Sureńo gangs had running machine gun battles in the Outer and South Mission just a decade ago, until the Feds took them down using the gang enhancements so decried by progressives like Chesa Boudin.