[Philorandroid]

Could you post some citations? ADT's crime statistics seem pretty damning with 10x the national crime rate in some areas of downtown San Francisco. Even if the statistics indicate a decreasing crime rate, they would seem defiant of the most common kind of testimonials of the quarter-million-plus people who have left the area.

[seanmcdirmid]

Traditionally, SF has bad property crime (lots of rich people to steal from) and low violent crime (too busy stealing things from rich people to shoot/hurt people).

> they would seem defiant of the most common kind of testimonials of the quarter-million-plus people who have left the area.

Most people leave because it is too full/expensive. The city (and Bay Area) cycles in and out people, it always has. But an equilibrium is always reached where it is still expensive but not expensive enough to lose population.