[andrewstuart]

Australia has dramatically increased its immigration intake.

750,000 this year and next, with 1.5 million in total coming in the next 5 years.

This huge number of people are being brought in during Australias worst ever housing crisis. The ALP government doesn’t care in the slightest. In fact it’s greatly to the advantage of the politicians, most of whom own 1/2/3/4/5/6 or more houses.

[ipaddr]

It's like there is a global plan by government for some hidden agenda

[cmrdporcupine]

No, it's actually not.

[ipaddr]

Multiple leaders on the left. In Australia, Canada, US large increases in immigration (undocumented in the US). All of these countries have large targets increasing population at levels never seen before. It's like they are acting from the same agenda.

They are not building housing or preparing for any increases. Are they expecting a population decline?

[cmrdporcupine]

You don't even know what "left" means if you think that's what Trudeau is.

And to be afraid of mysterious "government agendas", when the real power is clearly corporate, even less accountable or transparent...

... judging from your comments, you've stepped over the threshold. I'm afraid reason won't reach you.

[ipaddr]

In your worldview Trudeau is on the right? This kind of reasoning won't reach anyone.

[cmrdporcupine]

Better than giving up on reason altogether and just trumpeting Q-adjacent nonsense.

[wasimanitoba]

Britain is currently governed by the UK Conservatives and elsewhere this was already taking place under previous centre-right governments (enormous increasing in housing costs took place under Trump in the US and under Harper in Canada)

[voisin]

Canada and Australia are following the UK. Allow massive immigration, drive up housing costs, angering the citizens to the point where they’ll vote against their own interests if it means hurting the immigrants more. Watch the rise of far right politicians campaigning and winning on blatantly racist platforms about returning to a former glory.

[faluzure]

1.5 million over 5 years are a rookie numbers. We did 1 million just last year. And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.

[cmrdporcupine]

Housing speculation in Canada is a national industry. The assholes in both the major parties will never lift a finger to do anything about it because either they, or their baby boomer voters, are all hyper invested in making sure Number Goes Up for housing.

Look at the way Poilievre foams all apoplectic at the mouth about the BoC raising its rate (as if it's Trudeau's choice what that # is... but whatever) while at the same time blaming Trudeau for inflation. His boomer bosses need their mortgages to stay cheap and their housing prices to stay high, no matter what.

Canada is corrupt and eats its young.

[xienze]

Real estate is something absurd like 20% of Canada’s GDP, isn’t it? What may have started as greed has evolved into something vital to the country’s existence. You can’t just crash Canadian real estate without having a major negative impact on the country.

[cmrdporcupine]

When you're up to your neck in quicksand ... why struggle?

[ipaddr]

Government spending by Trudeau has packed on insane debt levels making inflation worse. It took Canada 150 years to reach a level of debt that Trudeau managed to double. 1.2 Trillion and 151 billion a year debt payments. Given up plans to ever stop spending more than taking in.

Inflation make that 1.2 trillion worth less (and everyone elses money). It's a strategy. Trudeau doesn't control the rate directly but he is still sending out larger and larger cheques for votes and keeps spending on social programs and military spending like the money supply is unlimited. Having a second house means little when there are bigger paydays

[andrewstuart]

Australia’s “Minister for Homelessness” owns 4 houses.

[cycrutchfield]

Should they be homeless too?

[ChuckNorris89]

Obviously not, but you can hardly understand the issue when you have more homes than anyone can have in a lifetime.

[cycrutchfield]

What’s the limit on the amount of real estate you own before you become unable to understand or empathize with the homeless?

Does this work with other vocations? Should spinsters not be allowed to teach or care for children? If you don’t own a car you can’t become a car mechanic?

[Marsymars]

> We did 1 million just last year.

I'd note that this number gets thrown around a lot, but it was <500k permanent residents, the 1 million figure includes >600k temporary work/study permits and asylum claims.

[faluzure]

Does it really matter what status folks come over with? That's still net +1 million folks that need to be housed and fed in a calendar year.

[Zandikar]

> Does it really matter what status folks come over with?

Yes, because it also matters if we're talking about residencies (shelter) or residents (people).

Numbers are arbitrary to keep things simple:

start, 100 population, 40 residencies.

2018: Add 10, of which 2 are temp

2019: Add 10, of which 9 are temp

Assume no population losses. What's your current (2019) population? It COULD be 120, but not necessarily. We know it's at least 109 (100+8+1 permanent) so lets look at what happened to the 11 temps specifically.

Keep in mind temporarily granted residency typically needs to be renewed yearly if not more frequently. If one is in country for Jan-Apr and a second in July-November, then you had a net population gain of 0, a gross gain of 2, and a median gain of 1, and could have required 1 or 2 residences to accommodate them. 0 - 2 technically but lets assume we're doing our best to shelter people.

Then the question is, until you know what the 2019's 9 temp residents are going to do, you can't really call them a net gain for the purposes of talking trends of population. You can however use them when talking housing supply, as regardless of how long they're staying, they will be there at SOME point, and while there, yeah, they need a place to stay.

TL;DR: For this threads context, probably better to think of temps as "pending" residents.

[Marsymars]

Well it doesn't matter for this year, but it makes for a very different trajectory - there's no reasonable way that we net +600k temporary residents every year.

[barbazoo]

> And our housing minister of housing in Canada just bought his second rental property.

I'm not saying this isn't true but I'm having difficulties finding a reliable source for this.