[skissane]

> Email providers very explicitly do care.

That wasn't what I was asking though – I was asking whether a user should care. Why should I care who else uses my email provider, if I never interact with them?

> You can be banned from gmail for especially egregious things for example.

Gmail will only ban you for "especially egregious things". The Mastodon Server Covenant clause 1 calls for banning people for things which Gmail would not consider "especially egregious". A big difference.

> Generally speaking, yes. We went over this before with Cloudflare

I don't consider who a CDN's other customers might be when deciding which CDN to use. I'm sure many CDNs provide services to websites advocating viewpoints which I view as foolish, even reprehensible–but I don't see what relevance that has to my own decision as to which CDN I should use for my own site.

> Many subreddits have bots, automod etc that will ban people that are from certain subreddits

I think that kind of behaviour is toxic, and I would never knowingly participate in any subreddit that did that. But, in any event, that's a community-level issue, not an instance-level one, and as such I'm not sure what it has to do with the topic of federation.

[fzeroracer]

> But, in any event, that's a community-level issue, not an instance-level one, and as such I'm not sure what it has to do with the topic of federation.

Instance == Community. The rest of your post I've already addressed and I'm not going to go over again. You calling out the Mastodon Server Covenant does not particularly make sense because it's not an authority, it's a listing of servers. Again you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how federation works given that you keep using incorrect comparisons.

[skissane]

> Instance == Community

A whole instance is not necessarily a single community.

People keep on defending Mastodon by comparing it to email – an email provider is not necessarily a community.

If we are talking about a federated Reddit-clone (Mastodon is more a federated Twitter-clone) – the communities are the subreddits (or whatever the clone chooses to call them) not the instances.

[fzeroracer]

An instance is a community, period. This is like trying to argue that subforums on a forum is not a single community. They may be smaller blocks within a larger community, but they still form a larger community as a whole and adhere to a generalized ruleset.

You're the one that keeps comparing it to email, so I recommend you stop. Simple as that. Ctrl-F this thread and every response that has to do with email starts with you. I've explicitly compared it to IRC and forums.

Your last point is incorrect. Beehaw is a reddit alternative. They defederated from other instances because other instances had free registeration, which was resulting in users from that instance trolling and doing low quality posts in their community (according to them). They can do this because the instance is the community.

[skissane]

> You're the one that keeps comparing it to email, so I recommend you stop.

In previous discussions here about Mastodon, people have been defending it by comparing it to email.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35579181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35583666 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35582762

[fzeroracer]

This is not the previous discussion, nor am I one of the previous users from a previous discussion made over two months ago. I do not care what other people have argued about and am not making their argument.