[getcrunk]

I see some comments saying they are happy moxie is out. I for one am saddened.

I trusted signal in part due to his persona. And his in your face attitude towards that one company that provided software to law enforcement that claimed to hack signal.

[TechBro8615]

The OP didn't mention Moxie leaving, so here's a link to the source [0] (toot?) for that:

> After over a decade spent creating Signal, Moxie has departed to focus on new efforts. As the founder of Signal, the work he did and the organization he built are the reason Signal exists. We are infinitely grateful. He remains a friend and a core part of the Signal legacy

Safe travels to Moxie. I look forward to seeing what he builds next.

[0] https://mastodon.world/@signalapp/110549359401156075

[frabbit]

Moxie the anarchist owes the rest of us a public statement about what he thinks Signal is now that the board has US State Department ghouls on it.

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

> what he thinks Signal is now

I suspect it would be some approximation of “no longer his”. I can understand your frustration but this kind of message is likely only to exacerbate his.

[frabbit]

Don't impute motives to strangers on the internet. I have no frustration.

I am requesting a statement from someone that has been very outspoken on many issues around secure, safe, private communication in the past and is in a better position than any of us to follow up on his advocacy.

He has had a very strong effect on the ecosystem including explicitly denigrating non-centralized efforts like the Matrix ecosystem (to the detriment of these non-US controlled systems supported by the French and Germans who had reason to be cautious in the wake of the Snowden revelations).

As someone who has had a significant impact in this area he owes us. Otherwise we can all draw our own conclusions.

[TechBro8615]

One wonders if there was some kind of pressure exerted on him. That would explain the stepping down and the subsequent silence about his replacements. It looks like a classic bear hug.

I wouldn't go so far as to call Signal compromised - yet - but I will be keeping an eye out for increased mentions of Signal in DOJ indictment documents, just like I did for Dropbox after Condy Rice joined their board (after which there was indeed an increase in such mentions of Dropbox).

[getcrunk]

Cfr, wef … list goes on

[ricopags]

Cellebrite[0] is the company in question.

[0]https://signal.org/blog/cellebrite-vulnerabilities/

[red-iron-pine]

> By a truly unbelievable coincidence, I was recently out for a walk when I saw a small package fall off a truck ahead of me. As I got closer, the dull enterprise typeface slowly came into focus: Cellebrite.

Yeah, uh huh.

Good analysis tho

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

I worry about what it means for the future of Signal in terms of their privacy features. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some compromises even despite good intentions. It’s good that effective alternatives exist for such use but it might frustrate people who bet on Signal in some way.

[crossroadsguy]

No I am happy. Yes, he was a puritan. And what else, a benevolent dictator, who did things without taking absolutely ZERO user feedback? Yes, that definitely was the case. Yes, we are yet to see how it pans out, but it’s pointless to have a Signal that is used by so few people that it barely matters. I hope that chages.

I mean Signal is worse than Mastodon in adoption as of today and it had so so many opportunities wasted on things that were never needed (in fact those efforts should have been categorically avoided) and a lot effort was also wasted on not doing things that should have been done. Hope that changes as well with his departure. Or I’ll rather see Signal put out of its misery in a kind and quick way.