[wruza]

That’s mostly true, but then one day you want to use an external filter, or a custom set of snippets that doesn’t suck at editing them, or make the next line align correctly after “(“ and there’s no plugin for that in your ide. And, more importantly, it’s a pita to create and publish one. It’s not better or worse, some people like off the shelf availability, some like local fine tuning. Would be nice to have a full union, but ides suck at local customization that wasn’t trivial or planned in advance.

Added: I hate both worlds now. Where’s an editor that is full of modern features and at the same time easily programmable?

[alwillis]

> Added: I hate both worlds now. Where’s an editor that is full of modern features and at the same time easily programmable?

What about an editor with

- LSP and treesitter support built-in

- Scriptable with Lua, a common and well-supported embedded language

- Regular and remote plugins can be written in NodeJS, Python and Ruby for starters

- Built-in terminal emulator

- Uses XDG directory layout

- Plugins run as separate processes

- API for accessing core editor features

- UI and core editor are decoupled; all UIs are plugins

- Multiple UI clients can connect to the same editor server

This and a lot more is on the Neovim page [1].

[1]: https://neovim.io/doc/user/vim_diff.html#nvim-features

[galkk]

nvim is in my setup scripts with dotfiles and is picking up my vim config per my init.vim. But still - look about actual setting up it [1], [2], where [1] stragight says "if you need autocomplete, you need plugin for that". I obviously can do it, but I just don't want to... Batteries should be included in $CURRENT_YEAR.

It is probably missed, but I use vim everyday, as text editor for many years. My .vimrc on github is 3 years old, and only because I moved it there from bitbucket and didn't bothered to preserve history. I'm not against it.

It was that original comment that I answered, was saying that vim is effective/better for IDE specific tasks (e.g. large refactorings, that inititial comment that I've replied), and after many years of using vim I strongly believe is rather ignorant and shows not understanding of power and features of modern IDEs.

[1]: https://github.com/neovim/nvim-lspconfig

[2]: https://alpha2phi.medium.com/neovim-for-beginners-lsp-part-1...

[lelanthran]

> Added: I hate both worlds now. Where’s an editor that is full of modern features and at the same time easily programmable?

An IDE plugin for Vim rather than a Vim plugin for IDEs?

[dundarious]

Maybe 10x, but I’m not willing to switch yet myself, I need C-[ for Esc.

https://10xeditor.com/

[galkk]

Given amount of the extensions that vscode has I feel that local customization is solved problem for it. But it is rather exception

[whatisyour]

VSCode plugins still take a massive effort to write in comparison to vim/neovim where you could basically do everything in your vimrc.

[drekipus]

Emacs

[kagevf]

v29 looks promising :)

[pcblues]

The last great effort with resources, experts, etc. was VSCode. If they can't nail it, can it be done?

[galkk]

VSCode seem to have a lot of things done very right, but i don’t want to focus too much on it in vim topic.